Tulpa.info - metaphysics

All the defenses were so strong

11:37 AM

It's wasn't easy to trust them either, was it?

11:38 AM

It was impossible, even when I intellectually trusted them and wanted to do it emotionally

"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."

I can see that in situation like that it might be easier to trust Jesus

It wasn't easy to trust Jesus, it's the hardest thing I've done in my entire life

11:39 AM

It was so important I celebrated it through the ritual of baptism

11:39 AM

Which symbolizes a new life in Jesus

I think understand that part of your life much better now

11:40 AM

and why it's important for you

11:40 AM

I think I understand your position and why you choose being a Christian better too.

Yeah it's all very recent for me

11:42 AM

Cassidy did it all first

11:42 AM

Then Gavin

11:42 AM

I was not happy at all the day Cassidy came and told me he believed in God.

If Cassidy believed in God, it meaned that part of you did it.

I thought it was silly And that people would mock me for not teaching him to see fantasy from reality And accuse him of being politically bad

11:44 AM

Yeah I didn't want it to be my fault, so I was angry at him

And by extension on yourself?

Yeah cuz religion is stupid

11:45 AM

I can't express enough how recently that was my entire and lifelong belief

Well, in my opinion it is. But I'm internally consistent with that.

I wasn't raised with or around it, and thought very dismissively of it

11:45 AM

In retrospect it was like a child dismissing love

All parts of me either contempt religion or just don't care.

11:47 AM

I can understand it intellectually and see that it might be beneficial for some people but the faith itself is against what I value in my life.

Yeah

11:49 AM

Would you agree, people need different values based on their lives? Like, someone who knows they're going to die soon might have different values than someone who doesn't expect to? Or someone who is poor with 10 kids vs. rich and single?

I found many different things in tulpamancy. But one of the good ones was a relationship with an imaginary friend that can be consistent with who I am.

JGC

Would you agree, people need different values based on their lives? Like, someone who knows they're going to die soon might have different values than someone who doesn't expect to? Or someone who is poor with 10 kids vs. rich and single?

Probably. I'd say that people are shaped by their experience and values are shaped like that too.

11:50 AM

I'm really enjoying this conversation and I appreciate that it's very calm

11:51 AM

Relationship that I value with some of my tulpas are much different than yours with Jesus too.

I'm really not 100% sure what I think, especially in terms of morality but from looking around, not everyone has the "call" to faith in God you could say. Not everyone has true faith. And what that faith looks like varies from person to person.

11:52 AM

If I wasn't a little lost tortured soul, I almost certainly wouldn't be religious today. I needed it and other people don't, or don't think they do.

11:54 AM

This is important because I don't really believe in hell Why would you get punished for not picking up a phone that never rang?

I think I wouldn't feel the same about religion either if I wasn't bullied for rejecting it being pushed into me.

JGC

This is important because I don't really believe in hell Why would you get punished for not picking up a phone that never rang?

Depends on the phone, I guess.

I get why people do it. Try to force religion onto others. If you found your answer- by god! Shouldn't everyone be doing this??? For me I realize that, especially in my age group, they haven't suffered yet and/or they don't hear the call. If you don't hear the phone ringing you aren't going to pick it up. (edited)

Honestly, I find the idea of heaven as bad as hell. Living forever and ever sucks. I hope I can choose death with dignity in the future when I decide to depart and not find myself in any eternal afterlife.

12:00 PM

Forcing religion on others is an equivalent of armchair therapy. "This worked for me so it will also work for you!"

Heaven isn't like this world You're not really alive like how we use the word You won't have to worry about what color your appliances are in your heavenly condo I used to think that way too Heaven, at least in my head, is more like going to sleep forever and having that moment of really good restful sleep x1000, while being grateful

12:02 PM

It's a little bit hive-mindy too

12:02 PM

Everyone else will be there

I'm not sure what to think about that either

But they'll all be in the same state Even if Hitler is in heaven, he's as harmless as the day he was born and sucked his mom's tit and every problem that's every happened between anyone ever is annulled

I'm glad you think even he deserves forgiveness btw.

12:05 PM

It looks like the image of heaven like that is not about what happens after you die necessarily, but about giving you that warm feeling of gratitude and love now to live a better life

12:05 PM

Like an additional tool beside relationship with Jesus

12:06 PM

So even if it's not real, the idea of it that you hold in your mind helps you right now

12:06 PM

For me perspective of isekai is more interesting. The stuff you mentioned are beautiful but... Constant. It's not being alive. (edited)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzp_qv3-FkA

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In Heaven (Everything is fine) HD ORIGINAL

12:07 PM

This song is actually about a guy wishing he had the guts to kill his dying, monstrous disabled child and/or himself But yeah idk

Oh, I think I might listen to it then.

"In heaven everything is fine"

I find beauty in acts of mercy like that somehow.

Wait until you learn what god did with his only son!

Make him go on hiatus for 3 days?

Yeah lol

12:11 PM

Eraserhead is a good movie

12:11 PM

Whelp I better get ready for classes

12:12 PM

Good talk

Yeah, good talk. See ya

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I find beauty in acts of mercy like that somehow.

I'm certainly a minority, but I'm one of the few who would rather suffer immeasurably than be destroyed (with the understanding being that there is no heaven, of course).

Well, it's a preference I'd say

5:05 PM

I'd like to have a posibility to end my life painlessly when it becomes a meaningless suffering.

5:06 PM

With the understanding that it's probably the only one.

And yes, since I missed this entire discussion I'll reiterate that atheism is the result of intergenerational group intelligence rather than "lol i'm so smart I'm an atheist". The simple reality is that atheism produces less negative results than religion. Religion will inevitably decline to a small, but constant percentage in my opinion, just because it's likely due to social evolution; in the literal sense.

I'd like to have a good conclusion to that story than just make it longer.

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I'd like to have a posibility to end my life painlessly when it becomes a meaningless suffering.

I would rather rage against the dying of the light. To paraphase the poem. It's all we have; all we are; that we fight entropy.

5:08 PM

Always, and forever.

5:08 PM

Until it wins or we do.

I personally don't want to live forever seems like it I'll be real boring, that's why I hope when I die I'll stopped existing.

I hope for isekai.

I honestly do not know how I would react if I were truly in pain and suffering, but I like to think I'd prefer it to death as well. All of life is meaningless, so even those few extra moments are something precious you'd otherwise not have. But - to be in pain and unhappy and seeking an out, but there is none but waiting to die? I could see people not wanting to stick it through and think that's pretty rational/reasonable as well.

People always say that; But I sincerely doubt it. I have no reason to believe I will grow bored with life anymore than anyone else who has ever lived. And even then - If it were possible that boredom could be reached; let's say that there just isn't enough variety in our emotions... I would rather remove my physiological capacity for boredom in a transhumanist fashion and continue to exist, to oppose entropy and live.

5:15 PM

My existence would bring value and without that boredom would be perpetual and beautiful.

What value would we bring by existing forever?

I have a vested interest in keeping you all alive as well - because a few more months of grandpa (or any of you) being around is worth a lot - and I and others are (in part) following those interests rather than your own when we are super against stuff like "taking an out". We just make it sound more feel good because it's bad to admit you're being selfish.

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What value would we bring by existing forever?

Knowledge. The passing on of knowledge to more humans, to more sentients.

5:16 PM

Without the corruption of entropy.

Why should I care about it? pythink

I would not be surprised if organized religion, and especially certain long-standing sects of organized religions, fall in the next few hundred years. Or at least fall out of vogue- they already are in my own generation, really, although it's likely that at least some of them will rebound toward the religions of their youths. However, I will say that partnered with the rise in atheism in my generation is a rise in "spiritual but not religious" I literally don't think you can keep humans from believing in magic. The best you can do is get them to concede it's fantasy or something, but you literally won't stop people from following the horoscope, doing tarot readings, buying fancy rocks, and thinking something aligns their chakras. And people growing up, even outside of organized religions, often find these things. Just, like, on instagram. Buy this jade roller. The stone aligns your energies.

It's your only true purpose. You are born, your genetics compel you to survive purely to rail against entropy. Knowledge is the only way we will ever defeat entropy. But if you want to get philosophical - We are the cosmos knowing itself. With every death a piece of beauty is lost that could have been stretched into many more years, if not for the span of the universe or more.

A new iteration of folk religion is being born out of the Internet Age and tulpamancy may even be considered on the fringe of it.

I think looking for value is the wrong question - you can ask the same about why you're choosing to live today. Are you comfortable with setting a long term goal and just choosing to die when that's over? What would that goal be? With how crazy big and complicated the universe is - shouldn't there always be something new to experience? I, even in a normal human lifetime, can revisit stuff I did years ago and get fresh memories and engagement with it. A person living for millions of years could do that 100 times over. I think it would be awesome.

JGC

I would not be surprised if organized religion, and especially certain long-standing sects of organized religions, fall in the next few hundred years. Or at least fall out of vogue- they already are in my own generation, really, although it's likely that at least some of them will rebound toward the religions of their youths. However, I will say that partnered with the rise in atheism in my generation is a rise in "spiritual but not religious" I literally don't think you can keep humans from believing in magic. The best you can do is get them to concede it's fantasy or something, but you literally won't stop people from following the horoscope, doing tarot readings, buying fancy rocks, and thinking something aligns their chakras. And people growing up, even outside of organized religions, often find these things. Just, like, on instagram. Buy this jade roller. The stone aligns your energies.

I agree with this. I think there is a solid percentage of human personality models which are geared towards suggestibility and spiritualism as a core part of functioning. Such people find skeptical mindsets actively hollow.

JGC

I would not be surprised if organized religion, and especially certain long-standing sects of organized religions, fall in the next few hundred years. Or at least fall out of vogue- they already are in my own generation, really, although it's likely that at least some of them will rebound toward the religions of their youths. However, I will say that partnered with the rise in atheism in my generation is a rise in "spiritual but not religious" I literally don't think you can keep humans from believing in magic. The best you can do is get them to concede it's fantasy or something, but you literally won't stop people from following the horoscope, doing tarot readings, buying fancy rocks, and thinking something aligns their chakras. And people growing up, even outside of organized religions, often find these things. Just, like, on instagram. Buy this jade roller. The stone aligns your energies.

I also think it looks more like that. Organized religions are declining in favor of more personal spirituality as much as in favor of lack of it at all.

But every system needs a random element in order to introduce new ideas to be destroyed or integrated with. If nothing else, spiritualism could be creative in terms of ideas and art.

5:26 PM

And yes, Reguile brings up a solid point. Even if our memories were eidetic, which they aren't be default but I would expect would be a necessary adaptation for immortality - There's no reason I would expect to even begin to visit or even recognize and interact from a distance with all cultures that likely exist in the universe. The universe is monstrously larger than our ability to integrate data from it, even if we were immortals.

I will say I consider it oftentimes selfish and oftentimes isolating. Yes, do learn your personal truth, but a lot of people I've known- and worth noting, my sample here is mostly high schoolers and college age girls- they believe what they believe largely because of shills. They didn't feel the need to buy a jade roller until they saw influencers with them. They hardly know what the principles behind those rocks are, they just know idk it's supposed to be something good, help with your ~⭐energies⭐~

5:27 PM

Spiritualism that's full of "buy this shiny magic item you see on Instagram" and "I literally can't explain what I think" and "This doesn't answer the big life questions, it only makes me feel good right now" is vapid.

Christianity started with a dozen people following a random guru around got really popular - those college age girls may well be onto something just as valid - just give it a few hundred years

5:28 PM

Jesus in the bible even claimed to do magic

Oh please literally every guru claims to do magic.

Yup! The difference isn't that the new ones are worse - but that the new ones are new

They just also couch it in "Oh I'm sooo humble. I don't use the spiritual powers because it's not the way..."

5:29 PM

Even Buddha was like that.

5:29 PM

The nonce.

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